In establishing the Office of the Coordinator for Cyber Issues, Painter was able to shape its key parameters. In our interview, he reflects on the importance of a whole-of-government approach and emphasises working towards international norms. From there, the discussion took us to broader reflections on the definition of ‘cyber’, the role of cyber diplomats today, and how diplomats and non-diplomats can work together in the most effective ways.Â
Lastly, given Painter’s work as president of the GFCE, we talked about cyber capacity-building needs and approaches and the urgent need to create an inclusive global conversation on norms in cyberspace.Â
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